Why do I hate bikers?
Part of me hesitates to post this, as I’m aware of a certain angst among the Clarendon Patch community regarding bicycles and the people who ride them, but I’m just going to do it anyway because I broke my “poor life choice” sensor a long time ago and I’m over it. And this is Ballston. And hopefully I don’t get shot tonight.
I really can’t stand bikers. I love the good bikers, but I have yet to come across one and so I’m going to continue saying that I can’t stand bikers until that changes. Reasons why? Let’s discuss.
- The self-righteous environmental snobbery has GOT to go. I’m looking at you too, Prius drivers. Quit riding around like you created the heavens and the earth because you are on a bike. You are one human being. I’d think differently if you personally invented and convinced the entire DC Metropolitan Area to bike all day, but I guarantee you didn’t. One time, in a bathroom in a California airport, I took two paper towels. Some West coast elderly elitist “I’m 72 but am trying to look 32 again” then very pointedly asked if I needed both of those paper towels, while a ridiculous face plastered itself on her person. After laughing at her over plucked eyebrow that was trying to raise itself but struggling due to the Botox injection of the hour, I took two more and left. Point of that story? Don’t trifle with me while I’m traveling, don’t try and guilt me into being green because I’ll get spiteful, and that woman was definitely a biker back in the day.
- Bike =/= Cars. I have two very closely related problems that fall into this little box. First of all, bikes are not cars, get in your bike lane and stay there. If there isn’t one, tough cookies. If you MUST ride on the road, you MUST keep up with the flow of traffic. I am SO sick of being behind some rando who thinks he’s the next Lance Armstrong in all of his official biking gear with the weird butt pants and neon outfits traveling at five miles an hour in a 35 zone. I drive a stick shift, jerk, that’s too slow for even first gear. How do I handle the situation? I rev my engine in hopes of scaring the sheets out of the offensive biker. It has never worked. I then get loving hand gestures, which I return with a pageant kiss and wave because I’ve learned that that actually pisses people off more than obviously yelling at them. Try it next time, it works! Second of all, if you are going to use the road and properly behave like cars, you may not drive like Jeff Gordon either. You still need to stop at red lights, and I will still be pissed off if you run me over. (I’m looking at you, Williamsburg biker who has legitimately hit me. Twice.) You also may not create your own lane. I will be startled at 11 p.m. on a Wednesday when you pull up next to my car close enough to hear my heart attack because all of a sudden your motorcycle is inbetween my lane and the next. I know I just switched it up on you there, but that offense happened recently and is still fresh on the grudge list. Bikes do it too, its wrong. That’s my point.
I’m going to get mugged on my way home by an angry biker, I know. Shoot.
Mark Blacknell
12:37 pm on Wednesday, July 6, 2011
Was this an essay that your composition class teacher marked with an F and handed back to you? So you decided to use it *somewhere*, instead? I'm usually willing to engage halfwitted "bikes suck!" rhetoric, but this is just . . . well, it's embarrassing. Your first point is . . . well, let's just leave that alone. But I do hope that you'll pay better attention in future writing classes.
As to the second, well, you're wrong. You're wrong in a million ways, but I'll just settle for pointing out that 1) you're wrong on where cyclists may be on the road, and 2) you just admitted, in print, that you regularly assault cyclists with a vehicle.
Justine, I'm sure you're not as dumb as this post makes you look. So please, try harder in the future. And stop assaulting other people because you can't handle the responsibilities of driving. Until you learn how to drive safely, take the Metro, walk, or hey, ride a bike.
Roger Frantz
11:13 pm on Wednesday, July 6, 2011
Golly, Mark, does "ad hominem" ring a bell?
Carl
8:20 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011
She certainly writes a lot better than you read, Mark. She made no comments about where bikers "may be" on the road. In typical Mark Blacknell "fingers-in-my-ears" fashion, you pretend that she is writing about where bikers are allowed to be rather than where bikers should be. But I understand your point that bikers should not be expected to demonstrate common sense or human decency as long as your intepretation of the law allows them to ride in a rude and unsafe manner.
Also - you REALLY need to learn the meaning of the word "assult" before you start throwing it around.
Brandon
11:39 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011
You just knew Mark was going to comment on this. Your next to last sentence made me laugh. Feel free to look in the mirror on that one the next time you're in the car lane instead of the bike lane fearing "dooring." And if you're unwilling "to engage halfwitted 'bikes suck!' rhetoric" *why* are you commenting?? Can't leave it alone huh?
VASquare
1:17 pm on Wednesday, July 6, 2011
I am now in love with you for this commentary. I agree 10000%.
Justine Whelan
3:16 pm on Wednesday, July 6, 2011
Haha, thank you for your thoughts Mark ;) They are appreciated. Maybe you should start blogging too!
Certainly there are many who don't agree with me, and certainly one can see the humor and light jest in ALL of my posts. If I took myself half as seriously as people like Mark do, I'd be quite an unhappy person.
asdf
8:27 pm on Wednesday, July 6, 2011
A big part of me hesitates to post this, but I'm going to anyway because your 'poor life choice' sensor needs a system shock.
Your impatience behind cyclists literally endangers their lives, and it's appalling that YOU instigate a reaction from them by disrespecting their hobby, mode of transportation, and their lives. An in-person argument about cyclists being on the road can get heated, but no one is going to die from it. An argument _on the road_ between someone in a multi-ton vehicle and someone on a ten pound bike, however momementary, can and has resulted in injury (head trauma, broken bones), coma, loss of life, &c. And it is almost always an avoidable accident, but it's caused by the king-of-the-road attitude you employ in your post and your driving.
Other points of contention:
-The cyclist's neon outfit is so people don't hit them
-5 mph is ridiculously slow for a cyclist
-Have you ever tried to ride a bike in the bike line or road shoulder?
-It is incredibly entitled and unreasonable to assume that your life and time has more worth than the cyclist's
-A 'bad' cyclist neglects to stop at stop signs and runs red lights. That is illegal. A bad pedestrian neglects to look for oncoming vehicles when crossing the street. Bikes are vehicles. It isn't illegal, but it's your fault if you get hit because you walked in front of an oncoming cyclist. If that's not what happened, your article deliberately misrepresents the account to support your theme. That is bad blogging.
Brandon
11:35 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011
It is incredibly entitled to think that riding in a car lane instead of an available bike line because you fear "dooring." There are ample bike paths in the area where you can get your "green" on and exercise. But you bikers even insist on riding down the GW Parkway when one of the best bike paths in the entire *country* is 20 ft to your left/right.
asdf
8:27 pm on Wednesday, July 6, 2011
Saying this article is light-hearted is like calling someone an offensive name and then saying you were kidding when they confront you. Except worse, because you are putting a human life on the line. If you wrote this to be funny, there is nothing funny about ruining a persons hobby or passion, wrecking hours and hours of bike personalization, endangering life, and being a bully.
There is no 'disagreeing' with you. This is an article of ignorance, but more astonishingly it is an account of how selfish and disconnected someone as charming and bright as you can be. That is objective observation, not opinion. And just smiling and laughing off someone's sincere concern at your driving habits confirms this observation. A kiss and a pageant wave can't revive someone's child, friend, or lover.
Every time I go out on the road, my mom is concerned but reluctantly settles with telling me to, "Be careful". It's people like you who assume that nothing will come of bullying cyclists, but end up terrorizing mothers like mine. Just like you get heated when someone insults police officers, I get upset when people disrespect the incredible danger a cyclist puts him or herself in to get to work or pursue a fitness goal. In a perfect world, that incredible danger wouldn't exist, because ignorant endangerment would not be allowed on the road.
This is not an attack on you. This is an attack on the attitude towards cyclists that you currently hold.
Roger Frantz
11:24 pm on Wednesday, July 6, 2011
Lighten up, Ryan. Satire, irony, hyperbole, etc. are literary devices. It is only right that your Mom cautions you to "Be careful." Wearing your "life or death" sensitivities on your sleeve means that your feeling are going to be hurt if someone looks cross-eyed at you. It's a bumpy road you're riding on.
Catherine Moran
11:21 am on Wednesday, July 13, 2011
Roger, someone actually has to have something approaching writing skills to effectively employ devices such as irony and hyperbole. The author has none. First of all, nothing she wrote was original (invoking the name Lance and poking fun at bike shorts occurs in every single anti-bike slam piece in existence), so the whole thing is rather pointless. Second, there's no exaggeration to suggest any attempt hyperbole or humor, and as for irony....there is none, neither in the actual meaning of the term nor in the modern use.
It's a whiny, entitled, ugly and poorly written slam piece.
Thats what she said
10:26 pm on Wednesday, July 13, 2011
more pedantic drivel.
antibozo
10:43 pm on Wednesday, July 13, 2011
Catherine, indeed--not only lacking in originality, it's borderline plagiarism from Tony Kornheiser's rant last year: http://www.thewashcycle.com/2010/03/tony-kornheiser-allegedly-condones-running-down-cyclists.html
Justine Whelan
10:12 pm on Wednesday, July 6, 2011
Thank you for your comments, Ryan.
Carl
10:35 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011
Don't let Ryan get you down. He's blaming you for his "terrorizing" his mother. He is clearly a little bit off.
Abby Albright
9:31 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011
Let's all remember to be respectful and mature in our comments please, no profanity or threats. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and we want to hear them! Just do so respectfully, please.
Roger Frantz
6:42 am on Friday, July 8, 2011
"Everyone is" (singular pronoun) "their"?? (plural modifier)--doesn't agree. "Everyone is entitled to his opinion, and we want to hear him." Or you could say, "All of us are entitled." Get the picture? :)
Geof Gee
5:33 pm on Monday, July 11, 2011
Isn't revving your engine at someone a threat?
Thats what she said
6:02 pm on Monday, July 11, 2011
@Geoff You rev my engine, big boy.
nick loewen
8:50 am on Tuesday, July 12, 2011
@Roger, you are going to chastise Ms. Whelan for all her errors, too, aren't you?
D
9:45 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011
the sad thing is that she's more or less dead on. Bikers like to wear their environmentalism on their sleeves and scoff at anyone who drives a car. They often think that because they're "doing the earth a favor" that they're entitled to act like both a car, and a pedestrian whenever it is convenient and beneficial to them. Also conveniently, bikers love to play the role of victim in the car vs bike road-sharing relationship despite the fact the R/B corridor has a myriad of bike lanes and pedestrian trails. The fact of the matter is that bikes do share the road with cars, not the other way around. As a pedestrian and a driver, I notice bikers biking outside the bike lanes (where present) far more often than i see drivers driving in the bike lane (aside from parking).
I agree with you Justine, and I got your back. The only gripe i have with your article is that it was too short.
Dayglo
3:07 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011
The world isn't bikers and drivers, it's people using different vehicles. Most bikers also drive cars, you know. And it's not like people walking or driving are without sin. Anyone can generalize.
So you've been a walker and a driver - now come ride a bike with Justine and Tim and me and whoever else joins us. We'll show you why cyclists do certain things and why we also get pissed at fellow cyclists for stupid things - and drivers too. And you'll see why cycling is so awesome too. You can consider it a skeptic's cycling tour.
In fact, Tim, why don't you just organize such a tour and invite the public at large? It can be like the Car-Free Skeptics challenge, only to let people meet bikers and see what it's like on two wheels.
Catherine Moran
11:33 am on Wednesday, July 13, 2011
Ever stop to think that the "(aside from parking)" might be rather significant and is one of the main reasons (if not THE main reason) cyclists ride outside the bike lane? Many drivers and pretty much all delivery trucks treat bike lanes as parking lots.
Fedup
9:47 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011
Way to go Justine! You can be sure you represent alot of "quiet" Arlingtonians too afraid to speak/write for fear of ridicule from the snarky bike lobby.
Brandon
11:35 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011
Preach Justine, preach! I will come to your services anytime.
Big Ben
11:39 am on Thursday, July 7, 2011
http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/4/14/129157477066831452.gif
Tim (BikeArlington)
1:08 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011
Hello Justine--at your convenience, I'd like to personally invite you out for a bike ride around Ballston. I think you may find the experience from behind the handlebars educational and enjoyable. If you are interested, please email me at info@bikearlington.com.
~Tim Kelley, BikeArlington
Aaron
3:45 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011
Well said Justine. I once had a bike rider --who cut me off and forced me to slam on my brakes -- bang on my windows and threaten me to fight. I of course ignored all of it. He then precedded to run a red light at 10th St and Wilson. I debated callington Arlington PD or just wishing he got hit. It's that type of rider who gives them all a bad name.
Justine Whelan
7:00 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011
This is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about! I guess I haven't had the pleasure of running into any of the bikers I have so very much offended, for they seem to be serious and considerate bikers.
Crickey7
9:14 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011
I obey all the traffic laws on my bike, run 5 lights at night (and often in daylight as well) and I actually ride at a pretty good clip on city streets (think multiples of 5 mph). At least once a week a driver does something obnoxious and unprovoked to me. Yet you don't see me making silly generalizations about all drivers or wishing harm to them.
Thats what she said
3:45 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011
Timmy making moves! Good luck bro.
"Every time I go out on the road, my mom is concerned but reluctantly settles with telling me to, "Be careful". It's people like you who assume that nothing will come of bullying cyclists, but end up terrorizing mothers like mine. Just like you get heated when someone insults police officers, I get upset when people disrespect the incredible danger a cyclist puts him or herself in to get to work or pursue a fitness goal."
sounds like a genetic anxiety disorder
Thats what she said
3:49 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011
Why do bikers wear spandex? Seems to me, if they wanted a real work, out they'd wear loose clothing for more wind resistance. Plus, they wouldn't be polluting my visual space and making me want to stab my eyes out with a rusty screwdriver.
nick loewen
6:52 am on Tuesday, July 12, 2011
Bike shorts have chamois pads to be more comfortable. And not all bikers are solely out for exercise.
Dave Salovesh
4:35 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011
Here's the kind of local paper blog post I'd like to see more of:
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/04/the-bicycle-dividend/
Aim higher, Justine.
Brandon
4:39 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011
Dave if you want blind love for cyclists, read Mark's blogs. Justine was merely putting her opinion of how she feels about bikers in this article. To which the majority of commenters have agreed with.
Carl
5:31 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011
Good example ... a blog from a "local paper" like the New York Times.
Thats what she said
8:55 pm on Thursday, July 7, 2011
More "local paper" stories you should read
http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/1020450--cyclist-fractures-pedestrian-s-skull-gets-400-fine?bn=1
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/07/06/cyclists-should-need-a-licence-to-ride
cool story bro
Leander
8:36 am on Friday, July 8, 2011
Ah yes, the time-honored technique of sucking up to a**holes by assuring them that their thuggish tendencies are just fine with you. This little screed is way too poorly thought-out and written to be taken seriously as anything but an attempt at attention-whoring. Try taking your best girlfriend to a kissing contest at a biker bar, honey. It'll be more honest, and you'll feel less ashamed looking back on it in 10-20 years.
Leander
8:41 am on Friday, July 8, 2011
On the other hand, that's unfair to bikers. Many of them are hardworking professionals and all of them get awesome fuel economy. They're really nothing like the SUV-driving thugs who love to bash bicyclists for taking up a minuscule slice of the road.
Michael H.
8:43 am on Friday, July 8, 2011
This is supposed to be light-hearted? When you feel the need to describe how much you HATE a group of people? Personally I didn't find it funny when someone with your attitude tried to injure or even kill me last week when I was on a bike. (No other traffic on the road at the time.) Someone from a balcony tried to nail me in the head with a bottle full of liquid. Based on how loud the impact was, it had to have been thrown from high up, perhaps 10 stories or more. Or else it was thrown from a lower floor with some speed. I guess that person felt it was OK to "hate" all cyclists too. I suppose you're getting a chuckle out of this story, unfortunately.
I see car and truck drivers try to push pedestrians out of crosswalks every day, when they have the WALK sign and are already in the crosswalk. The driver wants to turn and is too impatient to wait for 10 seconds to let the pedestrians finish crossing in the crosswalk.
Car drivers speed through red lights frequently. "Speeding up on yellow" appears to be viewed as an inherent right. Some take it further and blow through the red light.
Instead of complaining that you feel you will get mugged, you should consider whether this "hate" speech (your exact word) will cause a driver to do more than intimidate someone by revving an engine, and take the next step by assaulting a cyclist (or pedestrian) with 2500 lbs. of metal and plastic. It happens fairly often, whether you like to think that's the case or not.
Michael Roy
10:00 am on Friday, July 8, 2011
Get a life. I ride to ride - to go places, and for exercise and fun. I am not holier than thou, but I have a right to ride. (And yes, it is good for the environment, even if that's not why I do it.) A cyclist held you up when he was going to slow for you? Boo-hoo. What do you do with slow drivers? Honk and tailgate?
Cricket
10:32 am on Friday, July 8, 2011
"Get in the bike lane and stay there?" I'd prefer to do this actually, except nails and broken glass are swept there, joggers clog it up, delivery trucks park there, some lanes are crappy and can't be safely used, etc. I think you're being intellectually dishonest, but I understand your *emotion I guess. The fact is that in real life it isn't always about your convenience. You have to care about other people's safety. I don't know what else to tell you. (The law also tells you this in case you'd prefer to ignore me).
Bikes go slower than cars. Bikes have a right to use public roads, and actually contribute more toward paying for those roads (most local roads are funded through property taxes, which most cyclists pay because cyclists as a group are statistically affluent and more likely to own homes -- and then since they pose virtually no stress to the actual road itself via riding a bicycle, are actually subsidizing dirvers like you -- and in your case, you're thanking them by acting like a fool and bordering on criminal)
Get over yourself. Ranting doesn't do anyone any good -- it appeals to the lowest common denominator (which is nothing to aspire to) and alienates those different from you.
Thats what she said
12:50 pm on Monday, July 11, 2011
"Bikes have a right to use public roads"
Says who? The word you're looking for is 'privilege'
"and actually contribute more toward paying for those roads (most local roads are funded through property taxes, which most cyclists pay because cyclists as a group are statistically affluent and more likely to own homes"
LOL WUT?
Crickey7
1:51 pm on Monday, July 11, 2011
If it's a privilege, then drivers, too, only have a privilege. Which all too many abuse.
As to cyclists subsidizing drivers, it's a fact even if the specifics were omitted from Cricket's post. Earmarked revenues from drivers pay for less than half of the costs of local (non-highway) roads. The rest comes from revenues, which cyclists pay at the same rate as drivers. The cost of a cyclist's use of the road is minimal--no wear and tear to speak of. We're subsidizing you moochers, and we're getting tired of it. Bring on toll roads so you can pay your true share of your "privilege".
Crickey7
2:00 pm on Monday, July 11, 2011
That should be "general" revenues.
Brandon
2:27 pm on Monday, July 11, 2011
Crickey to you have any articles or evidence to prove you correct?
Thats what she said
2:45 pm on Monday, July 11, 2011
@crickey guess we should put a toll on your bike path too. Keep supporting the pompous, self righteous stereotype.
Crickey7
3:02 pm on Monday, July 11, 2011
A quick Google search pulled up dozens of cites, many to peer-reviewed scholarly articles. And my statement covered only direct costs, and not the indirect ones via health, balance of trade, congestion, etc.
Toll various users of the multi-use paths? Fine. I don't use 'em in any event, but the costs of all of them in the DC area put together is probably less than one mile of I-66.
Thats what she said
6:10 pm on Monday, July 11, 2011
Pro tip: Your tax money goes to many things from which you may not receive equitable benefit. Do you have any kids in public school? If so, you're welcome for my tax dollars educating your kids. See how that works?
Carl
8:19 am on Tuesday, July 12, 2011
You hear that! Rich people can do whatever they want! They pay more taxes!
Crickey7
9:57 am on Tuesday, July 12, 2011
We subsidize things we want more of. Like education. That's becuase when you subsidized something, people consume in excess of the actual cost. For cars, that results in congestion, air pollution, over-allocation of space to that use and the fact that the vast sums spent subsidizing cars cannot be used for something else--including lower taxes.
Thats what she said
6:29 pm on Tuesday, July 12, 2011
You're suggesting that because you ride a bike you should not have to pay taxes to support road construction and maintenance. How naive and selfish.
Crickey7
6:52 pm on Tuesday, July 12, 2011
Not sure where you got that from.
Catherine Moran
11:39 am on Wednesday, July 13, 2011
@ Thats what she said
Actually, riding a bike on a public road IS a right (not in the constitution or anything, but still a right) and driving a motor vehicle IS a privilege, granted by the state and which can be revoked (that drivers' license does actually mean something beyond getting into bars, and you have no right to it, you know. You have to be eligible for it, apply for it and use it in such a way to be permitted to keep it). There are no bike licenses, and public roads are for...the public.
Thats what she said
10:43 pm on Wednesday, July 13, 2011
B MOAR WRONG
"Florida case of State v. Wells, 965 So.2d 834 (Fla. 4th DCA 2007), the court reaffirmed what us lawyers all know—limitations on the use of the public rights-of-way do not implicate a fundamental constitutional right and, thus, any such law is not unconstitutional on overbreadth grounds; the right to travel does not encompass a fundamental right to drive, and driving is a privilege rather than a right."
antibozo
10:49 pm on Wednesday, July 13, 2011
Thats what she said, yes, that's what she said. Cycling in the road is generally a right, tho not a constitutional one, and driving is a privilege. Thank you for affirming her statement.
Thats what she said
4:47 pm on Thursday, July 14, 2011
If it's not a constitutional right, then what kind of a "right" is it, a fairyland right? What document gives you this right ride a bike?
antibozo
4:57 pm on Thursday, July 14, 2011
I see we have a lot of tedious spadework ahead of us. Here, do your basic homework:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_right
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right
Thats what she said
4:48 pm on Friday, July 15, 2011
The courts say cycling isn't a right. You say it is.
Class is in session, time to pay attention. You might learn something.
Florida case of State v. Wells, 965 So.2d 834 (Fla. 4th DCA 2007)
Chris
10:38 am on Friday, July 8, 2011
I found this this blog post through the WashCycle blog, (which did not agree with your statements) As a daily bike commuter I have some points of my own to make.
1. "self-righteous environmental snobbery" We're just trying to get somewhere, either work or otherwise. I'm sure some bikers (just like some drivers) have an 'attitude' about them, but most of just find it more convenient or enjoyable. We save money by not using the metro or using gas, it's economic sense.
2. "get in your bike lane and stay there. If there isn’t one, tough cookies" It would be impossible to get somewhere if the only means was bike lanes. Bike lanes provide a reprieve for cyclists in downtown areas with more congested traffic. They aren't supposed to be the only means of biking. A commenter mentioned a fear of 'dooring', many cyclists die every year because of doors being opened in front of cyclists. Sometimes (especially going downhill) I choose to ride in the road and not the bike lane because I'm passing a hundred cars and the chances of someone opening their door in front of me are really high.
Chris
10:40 am on Friday, July 8, 2011
3. Getting stuck behind slow bikers- Many cyclists are able to keep up with traffic and do so regularly (myself included). As for the cyclists that ride much slower than traffic, there are some things to consider, it is extremely unsafe to ride in a side lane with parked cars because we are no longer visible to oncoming traffic. Every biking guide emphasizes that you should not do, bikers should ride in the lane in order to be seen (and not get hit!) If you should find yourself behind a biker going slow, and they don't immediately make an attempt to let you pass, then just light tap your horn indicating you want to pass. This should work most of the time, if it doesn't there's not much you can do, as some others have commented, it is extremely dangerous to make any kind of aggressive action towards cyclists.
Yes, there are some bikers out there who are jerks, I see them weaving between cars and it isn't right. But the majority of us ride by the rules and are just trying to get to work. You shouldn't be spreading hate towards us, drivers aren't perfect either. Drivers are constantly pulling into bike lanes without looking or merging, (I got hit in a bike lane because of this) Drivers run red lights, stop in crosswalks, and harass other drivers and bikers. I think you need to adjust your attitude, you should try riding a bike in the city and you will see how difficult it is dealing with bad drivers.
Justine Whelan
11:36 am on Friday, July 8, 2011
"attention whoring?" "best girlfriend to a kissing contest at a biker bar?" classy logical and well thought out response. What a substantive contribution...
Dayglo
11:58 am on Friday, July 8, 2011
Justine, you know what you really really need?
A bike.
I'll be happy to take you on a ride around Ballston and the surrounding areas. You'd learn alot, and I'll bet you'd love it. Say the word.
Dayglo
11:59 am on Friday, July 8, 2011
P.S. I see Tim has already offered a ride. Time for a group ride with Justine, and anyone else who is interested.
Thats what she said
1:07 pm on Monday, July 11, 2011
http://federalism.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341bf6e653ef0154339466c8970c-800wi
Jennifer
12:02 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011
My friend was struck and killed by a car. Please respect cyclists' lives. Regardless of your feelings toward bikers, their lives should still trump your impatience to get to your destination.
Justine Whelan
12:15 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011
Shockingly enough, I actually don't bike around town because I would be a nuisance. I'm not good enough at bike riding to presume that I belong out and about on two wheels (disclaimer: before any more panties get any more into a wad, my previous statement was about me, only me, and everyone can just chill out about it.) That said, I would be the exact kind of biker that I find frustrating and therefore do not go out for rides around Ballston or any other large busy area.
Thank you for your generous offer.
Tim (BikeArlington)
1:18 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011
Justine, speaking as a professional in the Biking/Traffic Demand Management industry trying to get people out of their cars and onto other forms of transportation, I can assure you that you wouldn't be a nuisance.
Everyone starts as a beginner--Arlington County even offers a range of Confident City Cycling classes if you're interested. I'd be happy to take you on a safe biking route which would include bike lanes or sharrows and off-street trails and we could go at a time when there is a low traffic volume.
I'd urge you to consider a ride, simply to just give it a try. I promise you'll like it!
Please email me at info@bikearlington.com to set something up.
~Tim Kelley, BikeArlington
Blue-eyed Devil
12:54 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011
"I actually don't bike around town because I would be a nuisance." Hmm... you don't seem to apply that kind of thinking to the activity of writing.
"I'm not good enough at bike riding to presume that I belong out and about on two wheels." Based on your self-described behavior behind the wheel, I'd wager you're "not good enough" at driving to presume that you "belong out and about" on four wheels, with two tons of metal surrounding...talk about a liability for every living creature in your vicinity.
Really, so much so patently wrong with this article it doesn't bear parsing...
See you on the road. I really do hope you behave.
Dayglo
1:03 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011
But Justine, how are you going to learn anything if you don't try it? I'll bet you were one annoying driver a few years ago when you had your learner's permit, but that didn't stop you from getting behind the wheel.
So come on! We'd start riding somewhere easier and safer than Ballston.
Thats what she said
1:11 pm on Monday, July 11, 2011
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_VSrnkiWaqSQ/TMdG4APsFCI/AAAAAAAAAZg/e3AlxX6QjSo/s1600/Forever-Alone-7.jpg
Brendna
1:35 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011
Your post wasn't clever or new. I've heard it all before. What's shameful is how flippant you are about a matter of life and death. You think your ignorance is cute. But it's not. You're an ugly and damaged person.
I thought about responding by cut and pasting from the Virginia vehicle code and going point by point to show you how wrong you are, but you'd probably giggle and think it's all a tremendous hoot.
Thats what she said
2:38 pm on Monday, July 11, 2011
Brendnananana
Carl
8:24 am on Tuesday, July 12, 2011
Illogical bikers like you WOIULD post something like that and think you are making a point. Are you one of Mark Blacknell's screen names?
Crickey7
2:17 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011
Cyclists help you personally in a number of ways. We reduce traffic congestion, improve air quality, subsidize car use of roads, reduce society's expenditures on healthcare and reduce the flow of money to foreign petrodictators to use trying to kill us. You might be a tad grateful for these things instead of blaming us for rudeness, by your account, from a lady in an airport in California and by a motorcyclist.
In truth, most of us don't ride for those reasons. We do it because it's the most fun, cheapest and healthiest way to get around town (and often the fastest). If you'd take Tim up on his offer, you'd find that out for yourself.
Steve O
2:44 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011
It's always good to supplement our impressions with actual data--to see if they are valid. So I recommend the following.
Justine,
- Put a stopwatch in your car.
- Next time you are delayed behind a cyclist, click on the stopwatch
- Stop it once you pass.
- Keep track for a month.
- Take the total time and divide by 2 (since you're going about 1/2 as fast--not zero)
- Let us all know how much time you lost during that month
I'd be very interested in the results. Others on this comment chain are encouraged to do the same and let us know how much time the cyclists cost you. Thanks.
Dayglo
2:46 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011
Then imagine that every cyclist you passed was in a car instead and calculate how much time they would have cost you.
Steve O
1:11 pm on Thursday, September 15, 2011
Hi Justine,
I hope your summer went well.
I'm just checking in on your experiences since you posted this. It's been a couple of months. Have you noted how many times and for how long you have actually been delayed by a cyclist? My guess is less than a minute total (less than 1 second per day on average), but I'll stand corrected if you've kept track and it's more than that.
Empirical data like this can go a long way towards understanding the magnitude of a problem.
Cheers, - Steve
Conor
3:15 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011
I thought this was very juvenile and snobbish. There are just as many a@#hole bikers as there are a@#hole drivers. Bikers are the vulnerable ones, not the drivers. If you don't ride (which based on your post, that's abundantly clear) you will never understand what it's like. I make an occasional mistake at times when I ride (I'm human) and cars do too. Except the burden of safety is MORE on the cars than the riders because of the potential damages inflicted. It's not like any rider (that I know) is thinking to himself, "Man, I'd really like to gridlock traffic and piss off the vehicles". Stop being so dramatic. Some people can't afford a car and they bike. Talk about being righteous (you decry the people actually trying to make a positive impact like green movement folks, then tell the bikers tough luck if there's no lane?!) Sounds like you're pretty righteous and snobbish yourself.
If you don't believe the science behind the green movement, that's fine. Why judge those who do? No one's looking to you as some sage for scientific data, hate to break it to ya.
My suggestion is to stop being so uptight. Are you that unhappy that BICYCLISTS prompt you to post something this angry? I mean this is DC after all, aren't there bigger fish to fry...
Abby Albright
3:35 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011
Hi everyone. Thank you for your comments. I do feel it's important to remind you all that this is a blog post and is purely the author's opinion. It does not reflect the opinions of Ballston Patch or Patch as a whole. You all are invited to continue sharing your opinions here, but please keep doing so in a respectful manner.
Conor
3:45 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011
Abby, don't you think it's a bit irresponsible for something like this to publish? It seems you're more preoccupied with the tone of the commentors than you are the piece that spawned them. If this was clearly satire (it's clearly not) I don't think you'd have the backlash you have. The author hides behind her (jest) but this is an issue that has devastating consequences and she is polarizing people who have no reason to hate one another. How about an article about how we can all share the road?
My father was sent to the hospital last year after he was run off the road and a friend of mine died when I was in high school after being hit while riding on the side of the road. It's dangerous (and some might say an incurred risk when you bike on streets - and I wouldn't really disagree). However, the goal is to make conscientious riders and drivers. It'd be nice to see an apology, some recognition that people DIE over this issue each day around the country and we should all be striving to reduce these tragedies. Perhaps her being only 19, she hasn't experienced enough to see the danger in her reckless attitude.
Dayglo
4:21 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011
Sure, but I can understand the irritation at a blog post that begins "Why do I hate (insert class of people here)?" Not exactly respectful.
Still, I'm being positive. I think it would be great if Justine would come out and do a bike ride with those of us who didn't bash her back. And then she could blog about that! That would make great copy. Tim Kelley would be the perfect ride leader, since he's in charge of Bike Arlington. Take the story to a new level!
We promise a safe, easy ride with no spandex (well, I can't speak for Tim on the spandex part).
Crickey7
4:56 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011
I know the poster was attempting levity here. I'm a father of a daughter only a little younger than Ms. Whelan myself, so I'm perfectly wiling to cut her some slack here.
What she may not realize is that even an extremely careful, law-abiding and experienced cyclist like myself has experienced unprovoked driver behavior that would literally curl your hair. Without excusing any rude behavior on anyone's part, I'd like her to reconsider her statement, embraced by some posters here, that she harasses and puts cyclists in physical danger. We get enough of that without bloggers promoting it.
Katie
3:38 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011
Please don't endanger someone's life because you dislike them.
Blue-eyed Devil
4:19 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011
Ironic, Ms. Whelan, that you would prefer to have all cyclists in that little section of Northern Virginia driving cars instead of riding bikes, given the parking scarcity from Balston to Rosslyn (and, indeed, in most cities and the surrounding suburbs). And you somehow managed to completely avoid discussing the fact that Arlingtion strongly encourages bicycling as a means of transportation and has been (and continues to be) lauded for its progressiveness to that end. Apparently, you really don't know the area well...why are you writing for this blog?
BTW, most motorists also fail to respect right-of-way pedestrians in that area. Perhaps you'd like to share your views on those pesky people who cross the sidestreets while you're in a hurry to make your right turn.
And Abby, I'm going to take your disclaimer about the views expressed by your bloggers as a good sign; one suggesting you don't think it's responsible to encourage contempt for people who are often in a physically vulnerable environment and who are harming no one. I certainly wouldn't suggest censorship; in fact, this kind of vapid, facile, intellectually lazy rant generally tends to highlight the ignorance and ethical shortcomings of the author quite nicely, as it did (and continues to do) here. But I do advocate distancing yourself and your site from these pointlessly hateful opinions and their ilk as you just did.
Conor
8:13 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011
Well said. Couldn't agree more. Let's hope this girl now understands the importance of sharing the road...here's hoping for a better sequel
Justine Whelan
5:07 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011
What strikes me about this is the writer's choice of being direct. I know some see the word "hate" and assume evil by the person who uses it. I "hate" when I smash my thumb with a hammer. Dislike is too soft a word to descibe that feeling, in my opinion. (I am assuming everyione can have their own opinion) What I thought was great about the blog post was that both sides of the issue got very defensive about their position on bike riders. Isn't diversity the acceptance of others view points? Aren't all of us Arlingtonians proponents of diversity? As to the comments of those cyclists killed by cars, that is a tragic event and the driver should be prosecuted if culpable. I know also that their are drivers out there who live with the torment and guilt of having killed bicyclists, and pedestrians because of the negligence or recklessness of the bicyclist or pedestrian. Great work by the writer on igniting a spirited debate. I think both sides can reflect a little and maybe some good comes of this.
Justine Whelan
5:10 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011
By her father not a great computer blogger person
Blue-eyed Devil
5:27 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011
Wow. Nice try, Justine. See? It's all about ethics.
Justine Whelan
6:48 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011
1) This is Justine
2) That actually was my father, I was still logged onto the family computer. I don't particularly care if you believe that or not, just throwing it out there.
3) I feel like I've seen enough on this post that I've decided to craft a response post
Carl
8:28 am on Tuesday, July 12, 2011
Bikers do not at all respect diversity of opinion, as demonstrated by the posts of Blue-eyed Devil and others.
Crickey7
10:01 am on Tuesday, July 12, 2011
I'm not sure how "diversity of opinion" is covered by a conversation in which one side jokes about harassing and endangering the other, and the other side points out that this is obnoxious. Were the object of harassment say, young women, I think Ms. Whelan might not find it "diversity of opinion".
Cricket
8:30 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011
You do care if people believe you otherwise you wouldn't have posted it.
If you father posted your previous post, I have no confidence in your ability to develop any kind of empathy for other people in the world.
You don't have a chance. You're young and inexperienced -- playing with a computer and without any idea how your actions affect other peoples' lives.
Marie
11:14 pm on Friday, July 8, 2011
Really Cricket? "You don't have a chance"? I do believe you and others are over reacting. It's just a blog... an outlet for writing. Just like your comment. If you stop and think for a moment, your post/comment, as well as others, actually take it a step further to the realm of personal. Shame on all of you.
Carl
8:29 am on Tuesday, July 12, 2011
Cricket already stated that he only believes the affluent deserve a chance.
Kay
9:29 am on Monday, July 11, 2011
This is "Ballston" and hopefully I don't get shot? You live in Arlington, honey. You're not going to get shot walking down your little manufactured pretty-paved sidewalk that goes straight from the metro to the front door of your high rise building. And now that MY "poor life choice" sensor busted for the morning...
Biking is just a method of transportation like anything else. The bottom line is, too many commuters in general (bikers, drivers, peds) ignore the law. Some cyclists break the law, and yes, that is irritating. But what about the people who blow through a crosswalk texting and completely disregard the DO NOT WALK SIGN? (Im sure you're one of them, because based off this rant you clearly assume that you have the right of way no matter what you're doing)
I ride my bike to work every day downtown, and for the most part, cyclists obey the law. And we just ask that drivers do the same. It's not easy to navigate a traffic circle, travel down a street with no bike lanes, or attempt not to get car-doored, on a daily basis. I would argue that bikers pay MORE attention to the road then most drivers do, you have to, or you'll get killed. Intentionally trying to intimidate someone by revving your engine is wrong - and just makes you look incredibly immature and uninformed by putting it out there. I don't know if you know this, but Arlington is TRYING to get more people to bike to work...maybe you should give it a try before posting again on this topic.
oboe
9:59 am on Monday, July 11, 2011
Let's perform a thought experiment:
If someone were to write an article about how teenaged women are shrill, irritating, and self-absorbed, and that if they open their mouths in public, someone should put their fist in it, no one would have any problem seeing how disgusting and contemptible that author is. We wouldn't give them a pass if they claimed they were just being "humorous".
You know who I hate? Homeless people! They should be beaten to death with sticks!
JUST KIDDING! What, you can't take a joke?
There are some sh!tty little hate-filled screeds that should be kept to oneself. If you put them out there--if you expose yourself as a hate-filled egocentrist--expect all the scorn and contempt you deserve--certainly not "respect". That's what living in civilized society means. You're entitled to your opinion; decent folks are entitled to judge you for making it public.
YoBimbo
4:34 pm on Monday, July 11, 2011
Well said.
Bob
10:17 am on Monday, July 11, 2011
Justine,
Obviously, you're too young to really provide a valuable comment. You'll grow up one of these days unless you get run over by a person who thinks just like you. Yes, cyclists, do bother me too, when they don't ride properly, so do pedestrians, and more often than not, the drivers of cars, who drive unsafely and without courtesy. I'm a cyclist, one who has been hit by a car, not driven by a young driver but an old lady who thought she could pass me when I was riding close to the curb. She sideswiped me and I went tumbling down the sidewalk and on the grass. Luckily, I wasn't hurt badly. That happened after about a year of commuting, experience. Since then, I dictate how drivers should deal with me. I take the whole road when I feel it's unsafe to pass. I give way when I think I'm obstructing traffic. I move through red lights because it's safe to proceed and I don't want to hold up traffic. I thank drivers who give me way when they don't have to, because they are courteous and safe. I give way to traffic, I try not to hold things up. The air is cleaner because I ride, traffic is reduced by one car, I feel better and am fit. I may be the guy you would like to date, but if you're not fit, you can forget it. Next time, think before you speak. It's not about cars or bikes owning the road or pedestrians. It's about educating all of them to work together and keep it safe and keep traffic moving.
Carl
8:32 am on Tuesday, July 12, 2011
"I may be the guy you would like to date, but if you're not fit, you can forget it."
Something tells me Bob's standards in real life are not nearly this high...
Thats what she said
6:04 pm on Tuesday, July 12, 2011
....but on the internet, Bob dates models and bench presses VW Beetles.
YoBimbo
12:21 pm on Wednesday, July 13, 2011
Oh, Carl and That's what she said, you are not helping Justine's case at all with your juvenile comments.
Homer
11:23 am on Monday, July 11, 2011
Justine, this is from your bio...
"sharing my sometimes hilarious encounters with the species population, and making sure that I spread the love for this wonderful not-really-a-city city of Arlington :)"
Homer
11:28 am on Monday, July 11, 2011
where is the love?
Thats what she said
1:15 pm on Monday, July 11, 2011
you stalking bro?
Abby Albright
11:50 am on Monday, July 11, 2011
Thank you all for your comments on Justine's blog post. She has written a response to all of these comments here: http://patch.com/B-ljh .
Michael Lewis
1:15 pm on Monday, July 11, 2011
I think someone posted this during their shark week.
mbm
10:01 am on Tuesday, July 12, 2011
Justine,
As a biker and driver, I'm really appalled by your blog post. A few years ago I was hit dragged and thrown head first into a curb by a car that was not paying attention at a circle - I had the right of way in the form of a green light - they did not. I received 23 stitches, a massive concussion and was hospitalized. Time and time again I encounter angry drivers that purposely try to cut me off, speed up to cut me off, have had things thrown at me - you name it. I could have died for christ's sake so please be careful with your aggression towards bikers. As a matter of fact, I've had one friend who did die on a bike and several others put in the hospital with life threatening injuries that required long term hospital care due. One of whom was purposely plowed down by a driver who claimed practically an identical argument to her - that bikers annoyed her. We have enough problems in this world - take a deep breath and respect your surroundings.
Thats what she said
6:02 pm on Tuesday, July 12, 2011
23 stitches really isn't a big deal
Chuck Wavydean
6:04 pm on Tuesday, July 12, 2011
It's true, 25 stitches is the cutoff.
Julien Williams
10:34 am on Tuesday, July 12, 2011
This is a pretty sad attitude to have about the way someone decides to get around town. After I graduated from college I moved to Arlington and found that a car in the Orange-line-hood was pretty silly. There's limited parking and forced restrictions on streets by high income families that9 don't want vehicles crowding neighborhoods. On weekends, the kids from the outer exurbs come in to drink, park, and drive sloppily around Kirkwood, trying to get onto 66 West.
I don't care if you decide to drive, I'd rather not spend money to make my butt expand. But I follow the traffic rules as best as I can, despite motorists who cut off cyclists and pedestrians, talking on their cell phones regularly. In fact the only accident I got into was a motorist, on a non-hands-free cell phone, who rammed into me at a neighborhood intersection on 9th and N. Barton. That person sped off, leaving me in a heap on some family's front yard.
All of us need to work together to limit injuries and be aware of our neighbors
Carl
11:15 am on Tuesday, July 12, 2011
"This is a pretty sad attitude to have about the way someone decides to get around town"
Posted immediately before a rant disparaging people who chose to drive in Arlington. What a hypocrite...
David Hellman
10:58 am on Tuesday, July 12, 2011
Y'all take yourselves very seriously. The bottom line is:
1. Justine if you really believe most of what you wrote above, I feel sorry for you. Good for you for driving a manual transmission though!
2. Both sides of the argument seem to depend way too much on gross generalizations. I cycle everyday. In my street clothes. I see as many stupid moves from cyclists as I do from motorists. And good operators of both vehicles will occasionally make mistakes.
3. The rancor that is expressed from both sides is really counterproductive. It's a fact of life that we'll be sharing the road. Rather than get pissy at one another, how about helping correct the bad behavior in a constructive way?
One more thing...Cyclists Rule! Motorists Drool!
Brandon
11:28 am on Wednesday, July 13, 2011
David Hellman
"The rancor that is expressed from both sides is really counterproductive."
"One more thing...Cyclists Rule! Motorists Drool!"
Seriously bro? Seriously??
Chuck Wavydean
11:38 am on Wednesday, July 13, 2011
Oh yeah. Absolutely serious. No irony there. I am sure this guy wasn't running a bit at all.
Finn
3:33 pm on Tuesday, July 12, 2011
I cycle around my NoVA community for many trips and errands, I am an engineer working on bicycling facility design so that there are safer facilities for users of all ages and abilities, and I am one of the organizers of a national effort to enable more women to ride bikes in our communities. I too would like to invite Justine and the Patch editor to meet some of us professionals who work on these issues in the field so that we can explain the design aspects of Justine's commentary as well as discuss the responsibilities of the various road users. I might change hats from that of a professional to that of a bicyclist, a Mom and a parent to explain the particular aspects of the commentary that were most worrisome and threatening for vulnerable users of the public roads. Please contact me at FinnBike@gmail.com
Chuck Wavydean
3:52 pm on Tuesday, July 12, 2011
Well said!. You know what else irks me? People who insist on driving manual transmission vehicles!. They are so self righteous with their "stick shifts get so much better mileage than automatics." First of all, it's not the whole truth. Secondly, If I want to support the economies of America's enemies by depending on their oil exports, that is my right! In fact it is every American's right and duty to support terrorism, pollute the environment, jeopardize the safety of others, and become obese. That goes for you too bike riders!
Secondly, Automatic Transmission Vehicles > Manual Transmission Vehicles. I am SO sick of when some MT Head (See what I did there. Say it to yourself out loud "M T Head") stops at the top of a hill and then has to roll back 20 feet in order to get the car back in gear and moving forward again. How do I handle the situation? I stop an inch from the bumper of that vehicle and when they hit me, I claim whiplash and sue the sheet out of them..
So as you can see, it's all relative. One person's passion is another's pet peeve. It's just that most of us have the good sense to recognize we're being close minded and irrational and keep it to ourselves.
antibozo
6:17 pm on Tuesday, July 12, 2011
Chuck, it's pretty daring of you to engage in satire in such a serious forum as this.
Crickey7
6:56 pm on Tuesday, July 12, 2011
Epic.
Brandon
11:32 am on Wednesday, July 13, 2011
Newsflash bro. If a manual car backs into you at a hill, YOU are responsible. That's right. You get a citation for following too close. Because you're unable to work a clutch and prefer to use your thumbs to change gears (on your multi-speed bike) does not mean that AT is better than MT. In fact, a Manual Transmission requires you to pay more attention to the road, as to not stall out.
If your reason for riding a bike is to stay in shape, fair enough. But don't made it the be-all end-all that keeps you from getting overweight. There are thousands of ways to not "become obese" as you say.
Chuck Wavydean
11:46 am on Wednesday, July 13, 2011
Haha, thank you for your thoughts Brandon ;) They are appreciated. Maybe you should start blogging too!
Certainly there are many who don't agree with me, and certainly one can see the humor and light jest in ALL of my posts. If I took myself half as seriously as people like Justine does, I'd be quite an unhappy person.
antibozo
11:13 pm on Tuesday, July 12, 2011
It's a little bit interesting that all this should come up shortly after this other whole situation erupted:
http://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/2011/07/why-we-have-to-talk-about-this.html
Must be the zeitgeist.
Kara
1:38 pm on Wednesday, July 13, 2011
This post (and the long stream of offended bikers) cracked me up. Around here (about 2 hours south of NOVA, people run over bikers who act like asshats. I don't personally do this or condone it, but it does happen. You don't piss off a hick with "Git R Dun" emblazoned on his truck.
Aaron
1:39 pm on Wednesday, July 13, 2011
test
Allen Muchnick
4:19 pm on Wednesday, July 13, 2011
Ms Whelan: Keep your personal liability insurance up to date, and buy the highest limits possible. It sounds like you'll need it.
Thats what she said
10:58 pm on Wednesday, July 13, 2011
hey ohhhhhh that sounds like a threat! (and a real one too not the fake revving and engine type)
Allen Muchnick
League of American Bicyclists Smart Cycling Instructor (LCI) #538-M
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703-271-0895
Arlington VA
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Allen Muchnick
11:09 pm on Wednesday, July 13, 2011
It's advice, not a threat. If Ms Whelan *ever* crashes into a bicyclist, the victim's lawyers will have a field day with this "opinion piece".
Carl
8:36 am on Thursday, July 14, 2011
This "assault" thing is just crazy. I don't care what kind of logical contortions you force yourself to do, you are not being assaulted when a 19-year-old woman revs her engine. Grow up. This is a semi-urban area. People rev their engines all the time. At other drivers, cyclists and pedestrians. It is NOT a big deal. Stop being so hysterical. I sometimes encounter cars that rev their engines at me or honk at me when I'm legally crossing the street at a crosswalk as the pedestrian. These drivers do not have the right of way. They are obnoxious and wrong. However, I'm not going to scream "assault". I'm not going to lobby the Virginia legislature to pass a law classifying this as assault. I'm a grown man not an immature baby. I realize that state legislators and law enforcement officers both have better things to do with their time. I ignore the jerks and continue to cross the street. That's the grown-up thing to do.
Chuck Wavydean
4:45 pm on Thursday, July 14, 2011
Well said. Rather than railing on this 19 year old woman we should be complementing her on her talents. It's not easy shifting gears while texting your BFF, applying mascara, and sucking down a venti caramel macchiotto.
Brandon
4:49 pm on Thursday, July 14, 2011
Chuck you're right. That's much better than riding your bike down the street with earphones in listening to Enya.
Chuck Wavydean
5:00 pm on Thursday, July 14, 2011
Enya? Brandon, dude, that's so like 2000-oughts. These days we're rocking out to the Bieber.
Crickey7
5:37 pm on Thursday, July 14, 2011
Tom Jones never goes out of style.
Carl
8:36 am on Thursday, July 14, 2011
Things I've seen in these comment threads:
-Justine is a domestic terrorist for writing this column.
-Criticism of bicyclists is analogous to racist criticism of African Americans and is just as bad.
-An unpaid 19-year-old blogger on Patch should be held to the same literary standards as a professional journalist or writer.
-Revving one's engine constiutes assault.
The amazing thing is that you all seem completely oblivious to how stupid this all sounds. This is one of the most egregious and silly overreactions to any column I have seen in my years of reading stuff on the internet. You are bikers. You use a bike to get around town. Nothing more, nothing less. You are not being persecuted, you are not taking your life into your hands to fight for individual freedom and liberty, you are not making a bold political statement, you are not infalliable.
Get out of your biker echo chamber for a while and join the real world. It may help you get some perspective on why you are impossible to take seriously.
Thats what she said
4:41 pm on Thursday, July 14, 2011
Well stated
Brandon
4:50 pm on Thursday, July 14, 2011
Thank you, Carl, for putting some logic into these comments. It's refreshing to hear!!
Crickey7
5:39 pm on Thursday, July 14, 2011
It's called "perspective", not logic. Carl has his, which is only that of a driver and pedestrian. To translate that to a cyclist requires an assumption, which may or may not be warranted. The cyclists here seem to think is isn't.
Maryland Commuter
8:39 am on Wednesday, September 7, 2011
As a biker I'm often caught between two bad choices - ride on a narrow or potholed path/sidewalk with pedestrians - or ride on a road with no shoulder/bike lane and lots of cars. If I am riding with my kids or commuting on my commuter bike on a leisurely ride I'll choose the path/sidewalk, but it's always an adventure dodging pedestrians that don't look around or respond to my yells or bell as we approach. If I'm riding my road bike and training I'll usually choose the road because I'm going too fast for the path. In that case the adventure is not getting doored, getting cut off, getting hassled, running into a vehicle parked in the bike lane, avoiding potholes or even finding a way to move forward without getting in the way of traffic, but it's not always possible. Sometimes I just have to merge with traffic and go as close to the speed limit as I can.
To summarize, pedestrians always have paths and sidewalks, cars always have the road. Bikers on the other hand can and often end up in a situation where there is no good choice.
So maybe my appeal might be that all three groups should just be a little conscious and considerate of the others. We have three groups (drivers, bikers, pedestrians), but usually only one or two ways to travel (road or path) so we're going to have to share sometimes. All three groups paid the taxes that built the roads and the paths.